The main thing I had been waiting for was the shirt pictured here, representing 40 years since the Patterson/Gimlin Movie was taken. Very handsome shirt in person to look at.
Wednesday, December 19, 2007
Got some cool items today... (December 7th)
The main thing I had been waiting for was the shirt pictured here, representing 40 years since the Patterson/Gimlin Movie was taken. Very handsome shirt in person to look at.
Review: Monsterquest 11-28-07
This was a pretty even-handed and scientific look at Bigfoot, including the old chestnut of the Patterson/Gimlin Movie which was examined under digital microscopes with interesting results by Rick Noll, Owen Caddy and Dr. Daris Swindler. Chris Murphy, John Kirk and Esteban Sarmiento are also interviewed on their impressions on hairy bipeds in the U.S. The other focuses of the show were the Skookum Cast, and two expeditions in Washington State, one led by Dr. Briggs Hall, the other an all-female expedition with some familiar faces and names in the Bigfoot field, such as Melissa Hovey, Kathy Strain, Monica Rawlins, Tracy Hegristad and Kristine Walls in the Skookum Meadows area, where they were camped out looking for evidence, setting up camera traps and doing experiments such as singing Christmas Carols to attract the attention of 'Squatches. Not very much new information from the P/G Movie or the Skookum Cast, but it was great to see the two expeditions, especially the ladies. I would give this one about a 4 out of 5 stars.
Monday, November 26, 2007
This Wednesday's Monsterquest
Bigfoot - Bigfoot has been sighted in Washington State more than any other place on earth. Join an all-female expedition as they try to lure a Bigfoot within range of their cameras. The 1967 Patterson footage will be reexamined using digital microscopes that could reveal details that might prove if the beast is real or a hoax.
Wednesday November 28th at 10PM
Check local listings for time and channel.
Friday, November 2, 2007
Updated P/G Movie Bibliography from Daniel Perez current through November 2007
P-G BIBLIOGRAPHY
Partially annotated bibliography specific to the Patterson-
Gimlin film as compiled by Daniel Perez, Norwalk, California.
Copyright on compilation and all rights reserved by
Daniel Perez. Rehashed material mostly eliminated. 221 citations.
Current through November 2007. 10926 Milano Avenue,
Norwalk, California 90650-1638. Electronic mail:
perez952@sbcglobal.net
1. Alan Burke Show. (Television). Late 1960s?
2. Allison, Henry. “‘Bigfoot’ Monster – They’re After You.” Los Angeles, California, Herald-Examiner,
November 2, 1967, page A-12.
3. ArtistFirst. (Bob Gimlin interviewed in part by Robert Morgan. Internet radio program). November 18,
2003.
4. Ashton, Linda. “Another Man [Bob Hieronimus] Says He Was Bigfoot In 1967 Patterson Film.” Portland,
Oregon, Oregonian, February 1, 1999.
5. Bates, Doug. “The Man [Ron Olson] Who Chases Bigfoot.” Eugene, Oregon, Register-Guard Emerald
Empire, October 21, 1973. (How Ron Olson became involved with the Patterson-Gimlin film).
6. Bayanov, Dmitri Yurevich. America’s Bigfoot: Fact, Not Fiction. U.S. Evidence Verified In Russia.
Moscow, Russia: Crypto-Logos Publishers, 1997. (Bayanov, one of the first Russians to treat the P-G film
seriously, does an exceptional job recounting his involvement with this strip of film).
7. Behind The Mysteries: Bigfoot. National Geographic, January 30, 2005.
8. Best Evidence: Bigfoot. Executive producer: Eric Nelson. (Documentary covers the attempted replication
of the movements seen in the P-G film with Stanford University’s Dr. James Gamble conducting
the experiment and Dr. Jeff Meldrum in attendance. This study was done on a concrete floor and not a
sandbar). Discovery Channel. February 1, 2007.
9. Beyond, Hicksville, New York, September 1968.
10. “Big, Hairy Mystery.” Oakland, California, Tribune, October 27, 1967.
11. Bigfoot: America’s Abominable Snowman. Yakima, Washington: produced by Roger Patterson, Fall
1968. (Information as per Greg Long. Movie length said to be 136 minutes).
12. Bigfoot, California Abominable Snowman. London, British Broadcasting Corporation. (“…early in
1968 produced a one-hour documentary,” as per Roger Patterson). Early 1968.
13. “Bigfoot Film Sets Enthusiasts At Odds.” USA Today, January 10, 1999.
14. “‘Bigfoot’ Heading Back To Courts.” Portland, Oregon, Journal, February 6, 1976.
15. “Big Foot Reported Seen And Filmed Near Bluff Creek.” Blue Lake, California, Advocate, October
26, 1967.
16. “Big Tracks Found Here.” Panorama Land, 1969-1970.
17. Brewster, David. “Our Last Monster.” Seattle, August 1970, pages 29-33.
18. Byrne, Peter Cyril. “Being A Professional Examination At The 1967 Patterson-Gimlin Footage.” Los
Angeles, California, unpublished paper, 45 pages long. September 2005. (Copy of paper in possession
with David Murphy, Whittier, California).
19. Byrne, Peter Cyril. “The Case for the OMAH.” Explorer’s Journal, June 1972, pages 83-92.
20. Byrne, Peter Cyril. “A Quick Look At The Patterson-Gimlin 1967 Bigfoot Film Footage.” Newcomerstown,
Ohio, Monthly Bigfoot Report, October 2002, pages 1-3.
21. Byrne, Peter Cyril and Killeen, Celia. Bigfoot News, The Dalles, Oregon. December 1974, page 3;
January 1975, page 4.
22. Byrne, Peter Cyril. The Search For Big Foot: Monster, Myth Or Man? Washington, D.C.: Acropolis
Books, Limited, June 1975. (Chapter 7, ‘The 1967 Film: Big Man In A Fur Coat? Or The Real McCoy?).
23. “Calling All Sasquatches.” Vancouver, British Columbia, Province, December 1, 1967.
24. Cameron, Constance (editor). Bigfoot Co-op, Whittier, California. December 1981, pages 9-11; April
1989, pages 7-10; February 1993, pages 2-3.
25. Cine-Kodak K-100 Camera. (Owner’s manual). Rochester, New York: Eastman Kodak Company,
January 1955. (This is the same model of camera used to film the subject in the P-G film).
26. Ciochon, Russell, Olsen, John and James, Jamie. Other Origins: The Search For The Giant Ape In
Human Prehistory. New York: Bantam Books, November 1990, page 226.
27. “Charge May Be Killed Against Sasquatch Man [Roger Patterson].” Washington state newspaper,
December 2, 1967.
28. Chorvinsky, Mark. “The Makeup Man And The Monster. John Chambers And The Patterson Bigfoot
Suit.” Strange Magazine, Summer 1996, pages 6-11, 51-53.
29. Chorvinsky, Mark. “The Makeup Man And The Monster, Part 2: Denials And Secrecy.” Strange
Magazine, Spring 2002. (This article is only available on the Internet).
30. Chorvinsky, Mark. “Our Strange World. Fate, September 1996, pages 18-20.
31. Chorvinsky, Mark. “Strange Universe.” Fate, February 2003, pages 4-5. (Section called “The Patterson
Connection”).
32. Chorvinsky, Mark. “Update: Makeup Master John Chambers And The Patterson Bigfoot Suit.”
Strange Magazine, Summer 1997, pages 5, 57.
33. Cole, Nate. “‘Smell Doesn’t Wear Off.’” Vancouver, British Columbia, Sun, October 25, 1967.???
34. Coleman, Loren Elwood. “Footage Furore Flares.” Fortean Times, October 1996, page 39.
35. Coleman, Loren Elwood. “Mysterious World: Patterson-Gimlin Film Debunkers Debunked.” Fate,
March and May 1999.
36. Coleman, Loren Elwood. “Planet Of The APE Suits.” Strange, 1996.
37. Coleman, Loren E. Review of Greg Long’s The Making Of Bigfoot. Fate, May 2004, pages 82-83.
38. Coleman, Loren Elwood. “Suits You, Sir!” Fortean Times, January 1998, page 48.
39. Coleman, Loren Elwood and Clark, Jerome. Cryptozoology A To Z. The Encyclopedia Of Loch
Monsters, Sasquatch, Chupacabras, And Other Authentic Mysteries Of Nature. New York: Simon &
Schuster, Incorporated, 1999. (‘Chambers Affair,’ pages 55-56; ‘Patterson Film,’ pages 197-200).
40. Countdown With Keith Olbermann. (Television). Bob Heironimus interviewed by the host in which
he states: “I was approached by Roger Patterson and offered some money to wear the Bigfoot suit in
Northern California in 1967.” MSNBC, March 22, 2004.
41.Cramond, Mike. “Province Outdoors Expert Mike Cramond…Looks At The Sasquatch.” Vancouver,
British Columbia, Province, October 31, 1967.
42. Crowe, Charles Raymond. The Track Record, Hillsboro, Oregon. May 1995, pages 12-14, 16; March
1998; September 1998, pages 9-11.
43. Daegling, Dr. David John. Bigfoot Exposed: An Anthropologist Examines America’s Enduring
Legend. Walnut Creek, California: AltaMira Press, 2004. (Chapter 5, ‘The Patterson Film’).
44. Daegling, Dr. David John., and Schmitt, Daniel O. “Bigfoot’s Screen Test.” Skeptical Inquirer, May/
June 1999, pages 20-25.
45. Dahinden, Rene. Audiotape interview with Roger Patterson. Yakima, Washington, October 1, 1969.
46. Danelek, J. Allan. “Is The Patterson film Too Good A Hoax?” Fate, March 2002, pages 38-41.
47. Davenport, Marge. “NW Man [Roger Patterson] Describes Abominable Snowlady.” Portland, Oregon,
Journal, January 16, 1968.
48. Davenport, Marge. “‘Bigfoot’ Film Leads To Court Battle.” Portland, Oregon, Journal, Journal, February
4, 1976.
49. Davenport, Marge. “‘Bigfoot’ Film Settlement Starting More Court Fights.” Portland, Oregon, Journal,
February 6, 1976.
50. Davis Theory Preview Researcher’s Copy. (24 minute documentary on ideas and observations on the
P-G film as made by researcher M.K. Davis). Grendel Films, Johns L. Johnsen and Marlon Keith Davis,
2007.
51. Deane, Early. “Creature Shown In Movies Believed Abominable Snowman’s Husky Mate.” Portland,
Oregon, Oregonian, January 17, 1968.
52. Dennett, Michael R. “Bigfoot,” pages 117-125, in The Encyclopedia Of The Paranormal, edited by
Gordon Stein. Amherst, New York: Prometheus Books, 1996. (Michael Dennett: “Even when the [film]
frames are enlarged the detail is insufficient to give the viewer confidence in the authenticity of the creature.”).
53. Eberhart, George Martin. Mysterious Creatures: A Guide To Cryptozoology. Santa Barbara, California:
ABCCLIO, Incorporated, December 2002. (Section called ‘Patty’ in reference to the film subject
from the Patterson-Gimln film, pages 421-425).
54. Eberts, Tony. “If It’s Not A Sasquatch, What Is It?” Vancouver, British Columbia, Province, October
27, 1967.
55. Eberts, Tony. “Please, Fellas, Take A Look.” Vancouver, British Columbia, Province, October 28,
1967.
56. Eberts, Tony. “Sasquatch Answer May Come Tonight.” Vancouver, British Columbia, Province, October
26, 1967, page 2.
57. Edson, Charles W. My Travels With Bigfoot. A True-Life Odyssey… Los Angeles: Crescent Publications,
1979. (Chapter 10, ‘Female Bigfoot Caught -On Film’).
58. “Editor [John Green] Buys Film Clip Of Sasquatch.” Newark, New Jersey ???????????, Advocate,
January 12, 1968.
59. “Expedition Slated This Spring In Effort To Capture Bigfoot.” Medford, Oregon, Mail Tribune, December
20, 1966, page B13.
60. Fabulous Animals. British Broadcasting Corporation. (Televisison). 1975. (Hosted by David Attenborough,
program may show film clips from Roger Patterson’s second spool of film).
61. Fahrenbach, Dr. Wolf Henner. “Case Closure On The [Cliff] Crook-[Chris] Murphy ‘Bell Story.” Oregon,
1999. (Report showed up on the Internet on various sites).
62. Fahrenbach, Dr. Wolf Henner. “Sasquatch: Size, Scaling, And Statistics.” Tucson, Arizona, Cryptozoology,
number 13, 1997-1998, pages 47-75.
63. Flemming, Robert. Audiotape interview of Bob Gimlin. Vancouver, British Columbia, May 1978.
64. Forslund, Scott. “Shadow Of A Doubt.” Pacific Northwest, March 1983, page 52.
65. Fuller, Curtis. “I See By The Papers.” (Brief article on the Patterson-Gimlin film). Fate, March 1968,
page 7 and 14.
66. Genzoli, Andrew Martin. “Redwood Country: Bigfoot Story Captured The Nation 19 Years Ago.”
Eureka, Times-Standard, September 21, 1977. (“The picture he [Roger Patterson] made was a fluke and a
fake”).
67. Gimlin, Robert Emory. Audio tape with regard to Patterson-Gimlin film. Yakima, Washington, March
2002.
68. Glickman, Jeff. NASI News: The Journal Of The North American Science Institute, Hood River,
Oregon, January 1998.
69. Glickman, Jeff. “Toward A Resolution Of The Bigfoot Phenomenon.” (Research report). Hood River,
Oregon, Summer 1998.
70. Green, John Willison. Article on first film projections of Patterson-Gimlin film. Agassiz, British Columbia,
Advance, November 1967.
71. Green, John Willison. “Disney Studios See Monster Movie.” Agassiz, British Columbia, Advance,
November 13, 1969.
72. Green, John Willison. On The Track Of The Sasquatch. Agassiz, British Columbia, Cheam Publishing
Limited, Fall 1968. (Chapter 9, ‘Roger Patterson’s Movie’).
73. Green, John Willison. Sasquatch: The Apes Among Us. Saanichton, British Columbia: Hancock
House Publishers, Limited, 1978. (Chapter 6, ‘Roger Patterson’s Movie’).
74. Green, John Willison. Videotape interview of Bob Gimlin. Yakima, Washington, March 29, 1992.
75. Gris, Henry. “After 6-Year Study, Soviet Scientist [Igor Bourtsev] Reports…I’m 100% Certain
American Film Of Bigfoot Is No Hoax.” National Enquirer, September 19, 1978.
76. Guenette, Robert and Frances. The Mysterious Monsters. Los Angeles, Shick Sun, December 1975.
(Chapter 11, “Exhibit G: The Motion Picture Films.”).
77. “Hairy ‘Thing’ Puzzles Experts.” Vancouver, British Columbia, Sun, October 27, 1967.
78. Halpin, Dr. Marjorie Myers and Ames, Dr. Michael M. (editors). Manlike Monsters On Trial: Early
Records And Modern Evidence. Vancouver, British Columbia: The University Of British Columbia
Press, Fall 1980. (This book first published five partial frames from the Patterson-Gimlin movie film, using
a cibachrome development process from the original footage).
79. Hancock, Dave. “Discovery Or Hoax? The Sasquatch Returns.” Winnipeg, Manitoba, Weekend
Magazine, January 13, 1968, pages 8-12.
80. Harrison, George H. “On The Trail Of Bigfoot.” National Wildlife, October-November 1970, pages 4-
9. (“[Patterson] instantly agreed to take a lie detector test. The results convinced the experienced polygraph
operator that Patterson was not lying).
81. Hazlett, Bill. “Tracking Bigfoot Is No Small Feat.” Westways, March 1974, pages 52-55, 79.
82. Healy, Tony. Monster Safari. Canberra, Australia, unpublished manuscript, about 1978. (Pages 178-
181 make mention of John Schuchman, who allegedly met both Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin shortly
after the film was shot. Further investigation into the matter found the claim to be without merit).
83. Heinselman, Craig. “The Media And Bigfoot.” Francestown New Hampshire, Crypto, April 1999,
pages 15-16.
84.Hewes, Hayden Cooper. “The Patterson Bigfoot Movie: Computer Analysis Proves Creature Existence.”
UFO Report, January 1978, pages 36-39.
85. “Hoax Or The Real Thing? Let’s See Some Dollars.” Prince George, British Columbia, Pictorial
Magazine, March 1968, page 18.
86. Hubbell, John M. “Two Bigfoot Buffs [Cliff Crook and Christopher Murphy] Say Film Is A Hoax.”
San Jose, California, Mercury News, January 9, 1999.
87. Hunter, Don with Dahinden, Rene. Sasquatch/Bigfoot: The Search For North America’s Incredible
Creature. Toronto, Ontario: McClelland and Stewart Limited, 1993. (Chapter 6, untitled). Previously
published under the title Sasquatch, by the same publisher, 1973.
88. Hunter, Greg. “The Great Yowie Hunt.” Penthouse, August 1983, pages 34, 37-40. (Discussion of
John Schuchman, alleged to be one of the first persons to see Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin after the
film was shot. Futher investigation into the matter found the claim to be without merit).
89. Jacobs, Ted Seth. “Bigfoot: An Artist Comments.” Fate, November 2003, pages 85-86.
90. Joe Pyne Show. Los Angeles, California (Television). Late 1967.
91. The Joey Bishop Show. New York City, New York (Television. The late Joey Bishop had two shows
of the same name, one a sitcom, the other, noted here, was the talk show. Interview with Roger Patterson).
Late 1967.
92. Johnsfrud, Byron. “Two Men Report Filming ‘Abominable’ Snow Woman.” Seattle, Washington,
Times, October 26, 1967, page 8.
93. KIMA Television, Yakima, Washington. Late October 1967 (First television run of the Patterson-
Gimilin film as per page 329 of Greg Long’s The Making Of Bigfoot).
94. Kirk, John. “Patterson Film Survives Assault On Its Authenticity.” British Columbia Scientific Cryptozoology
Club Quarterly, March 1999, pages 5-6.
95. Kirkpatrick, Dick. “The Search For Bigfoot…Has A 150-Year-Old Legend Come To Life On This
Film?” National Wildlife, April-May 1968, pages 43-47.
96. Kodacolor II Film Specifications. Publication DS-11. Rochester, New York, Eastman Kodak Company,
1980.
97. Korff, Kal K. “The Making Of Bigfoot.” Fortean Times, January 2005, pages 34-39. (Noted Korff,
“...the Patterson-Gimlin footage has been revealed, once and for all, as a hoax”).
98. Korff, Kal K. and Kocis, Michaela. “Exposing Roger Patterson’s 1967 Bigfoot Film Hoax.” Skeptical
Inquirer, July/August 2004, pages 35-40.
99. Krantz, Dr. Grover Sanders. Bigfoot Sasquatch Evidence. Blaine, Washington: Hancock House Publishers,
1999. (Chapter 4, ‘The Patterson Film’). Previously published under the title Big Footprints: A
Scientific Inquiry Into The Reality Of Sasquatch. Boulder, Colorado: Johnson Books, 1992.
100. Kraska, Chris. “The Patterson, Gimlin Film: Enmity, Evidence, And Evolution.” Francestown, New
Hampshire, Crypto, April 7, 2001, pages 6-10.
101. Langdon, Verne. “Bigfoot.” Cult Movies, pages 68-70. No date, possibly 2001. (Discussion of John
Chambers in relationship to the Patterson-Gimlin film).
102. “Larceny Charge Is Denied.” Yakima, Washington, Herald, November 30, 1967.
103. Leadabrand, Russ. “Abominable Woodsman?” Pasadena, California, Independent Star-News, November
5, 1967, pages 1-2.
104. Leiby, Richard. “Sasquatch Speaks: The Truth Is Out There.” Washingtion, D.C., Post, March 7,
2004, page D3.
105. “Lensman [Roger Patterson] Charged With Larceny.” Yakima, Washington, Tri-City Herald, December
1, 1967.
106. Lie Detector. PAX television, Los Angeles, California. May 17, 2005. (Television). Host Rolanda
Watts interviews Bob Heironimus, who claims he was the subject in the Patterson-Gimlin film. This show
indicated Bob Heironimus passed their lie detector test.
107. Long, Greg. “The Great Million Dollar Bigfoot Hoax.” Magic Magazine, April 2004, pages 54-57.
108. Long, Greg. The Making Of Bigfoot: The Inside Story. Amherst, New York: Prometheus Books,
March 2004. (Long claims Bob Heironimus was the subject portrayed in the P-G film).
109. Long, Greg. Speech delivered about his book, The Making Of Bigfoot and the claim Bob Heironimus
was the subject in the the Patterson-Gimlin film. Presentation was for the International Bigfoot Society
in Portland, Oregon on March 27, 2004.
110. Loudon, Pete. “Only Canadians Willing To View Sasquatch Film.” Victoria, British Columbia, Daily
Times, October 25, 1967, page 15.
111. Loudon, Pete. ‘Tis Better To Believe Than Doubt.” Victoria, British Columbia, Daily Times, October
27, 1967.
112. McClarin, Walter James (Jim), Jr. Letter in regard to his visit to the Patterson-Gimlin filmsite on November
5th, 1967. Orangevale, California, January 9, 1968.
113. “Man [Roger Patterson] Claiming To Have Films Of Monster Returns To Lair.” Olympia, Washington,
Daily Olympian, November 5, 1967.
114. “Many Not Convinced By Film Of Sasquatch.” Walla Walla, Washington, Union-Bulletin, October
27, 1967.
115. Markotic, Dr. Vladimir and Krantz, Dr. Grover Sanders (editors). The Sasquatch And Other Unknown
Hominoids. Calgary, Alberta, Canada: Western Publishers, 1984. (Chapter 5, ‘The Patterson-
Gimlin Film’).
116. Maybury, Betty. “Letters To The Editor.” (‘Peace For Big Foot’). Eureka, California, Times-
Standard, November 12, 1967, page 4.
117. Meldrum, Dr. Don Jeffrey. “Ichnotaxaonomy Of Giant Hominoid Tracks In North America.” Albuquerque,
New Mexico, New Mexico Museum Of Natural history And Science Bulletin, 42, 2007, pages
225-231. (Specific discussion of the P-G film footprints, castings and trackway interpretation).
118. Meldrum, Dr. Don Jeffrey. Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science. New York: A Forge Book (Tom Doherty
Associates, September 2006. (Book might see a second edition, as per Dr. Jeff Meldrum).
119. Meldrum, Dr. Don Jeffrey. “The Footprints And The Film.” Pocatello, Idaho, Idaho State Journal,
June 11, 2006, page C 1.
120. Merv Griffin Show, October 5, 1970. (Televison). Roger Patterson and Dr. Grover Krantz. (Peter
Byrne alleged to be in the audience).
121. Michals, Bob. “Obsession: Tracking The Sasquatch Legend.” West Palm Beach, Florida, Post, February
7, 1978. (About Ron Olson’s initial interest with the Patterson-Gimlin film).
122. Miller, Bill. Videotaped interview with Albert Eugene Hodgson. Willow Creek, California, October
2000.
123. Miller, Bill. “Who Is Hoaxing Who With The Making Of Bigfoot.” Privately published, Peoria, Illinois,
November 2004.
124. “Mrs. Bigfoot Reported Seen By 2 Yakima Men.” Redding, California, Record-Searchlight, October
26, 1967.
125. Moneymaker, Matthew. “More Interesting Facts About The 1967 Patterson Footage.” Bigfoot Field
Researchers Organization website, 1999.
126. Monsters! Mysteries Or Myths? Smithsonian Institute special which aired on CBS on November 25,
1974. (Television).
127. Montagna, Dr. William. “From The Director’s Desk.” Beaverton, Oregon, Primate News, September
1976, pages 7-9.
128. Morning Show. Radio program, Eureka, California, November 1967. Host Bob Barnett discusses
seeing Patterson-Gimlin filmsite on November 5th, 1967, along with Richard Henry and Jim McClarin.
129. “Movie Of ‘Bigfoot’ Not Convincing To Vancouver Experts.” Eureka, California, Times-Standard,
October 28, 1967, pages 1-2. (Comments made by Frank Beebe, Dr. Ian McTaggart-Cowan and Dr. Warren
J. Houck).
130. “Movies Fail To Convince Skeptics.” Sacramento, California, Bee, October 27, 1967.
131. Murphy, Christopher Leo. Bigfoot Film Journal: A Detailed Account And Analysis Of The
Patterson/Gimlin Film Circumstances And Aftermath. Burnaby, British Columbia, unpublished manuscript,
2006. (Available as an electronic book only as of this writing).
132. Murphy, Christopher Leo. “Bigfoot Film Site Insights: Scale Model Reveals Surprising Details.”
Fate, March 2003, pages 26-29.
133. Murphy, Christopher Leo. Circumstantial Evidence: The Patterson & Gimlin Film. Burnaby, British
Columbia, 2001. (Unpublished manuscript).
134. Murphy, Christopher Leo., in association with John Green and Thomas Steenburg. Meet The
Sasquatch. Blaine, Washington: Hancock House Publishers, 2004. (Chapter 5, ‘The Patterson/Gimlin
film’. A second edition of this profusely illustrated work is pending as of October 2007).
135. Murphy, Christopher Leo. “The Patterson/Gimlin Film And ‘It’s A Hoax Folks Hopefuls.’” Burnaby,
British Columbia, about 2000.
136. Murphy, Christopher Leo. “Unusual Creature Detail Discussion Paper.” New Westminster, British
Columbia, September 1998. (Three parts, unpublished).
137. Murphy, David. Book on the life and time of the late Roger Patterson. Whittier, California. Pending,
2008.
138. Mysterious Encounters. “Bluff Creek Bigfoot.” (Episode #13). (Television). Minneapolis, Minnesota:
Whitewolf Entertainment. (Produced for the Outdoor Life Network and directed by Doug Hajicek),
2003.
139. Napier, Dr. John Russell. Bigfoot: The Yeti And Sasquatch In Myth And Reality. London: Jonathan
Cape Limited, November 1972; New York: E.P. Dutton & Company, Incorporated, 1973. (Chapter 3,
‘Bigfoot In America,’ covers the P-G film. Noted Dr. Napier: “There is little doubt that the scientific evidence
taken collectively points to a hoax of some kind.” Page 95).
140. Neiss, Todd Mitchell. “Bluff Creek Revisited.” Sandy, Oregon, October 2002. (Unpublished).
141. Noll, Richard. “Patterson Film.” (Letter to the editor). Fate, February 2003.
142. Norman, Eric. The Abominable Snowmen. London: Universal-Tandem Publishing Company, Limited,
1969. (Chapter 10, “The Monster Hunters And Their Prey”).
143. Olson, Eugene. “Abominable Snowmen Are Real!” Strange, Summer 1972, pages 94-101.
144. On The Trail Of Bigfoot. (World Of Mysteries). Travel Channel. 2001? (Rare footage of Roger Patterson
and several runs of his famous movie. Discussion of the movie subject by John Green and Dr. Jeff
Meldrum).
145. Orchard, Vance. “Bigfoot Book Reports Many N[orth] W[est] Sightings.” Walla Walla, Washington,
Union Bulletin, December 25, 1966.
146. Packham, Chris. “Bigfoot: Proof Or Spoof?” BBC Wildlife, September 1998, pages 66-71.
147. “Pair ‘Captures’ Humainoid On Film.” Boise, Idaho, Daily Statesman, October 27, 1967.
148. Patterson, Roger Clarence. Bigfoot Bulletin. Yakima, Washington. (Quarterly newsletter issued by
Roger Patterson’s Northwest Research Association). Late 1960s.
149. Patterson, Roger Clarence. Do Abominable Snowmen Of America Really Exist? Yakima, Washington:
Franklin Press, Incorporated, 1966. (The original version was published in both hard and paperback.
Republished in 2005 as The Bigfoot Film Controversy with supplemental material by Christopher L.
Murphy).
150. Penhale, Ed. “Ah Yes, Comrades, There Is A Bigfoot.” Seattle, Washington, Post-Intelligencer, December
2, 1985.
151. Perkins, Marlin. Wild Kingdom. 1968. (Television). (Two reliable people claim there was an episode
shortly after the Patterson-Gimlin film was shot, with Perkins looking for Bigfoot in the Trinity Alps,
California).
152. Perez, Daniel Edward. “Back To Bluff Creek.” Fate, June 2002, pages 33-35.
153. Perez, Daniel Edward. “Bigfoot At Bluff Creek.” Norwalk, California, BigfooTimes, (correct spelling),
October 20, 1992. (This booklet was originally released in May 1994. Reprinted in 2003 with a portion
of this bibliography).
154. Perez, Daniel Edward. Norwalk, California, Bigfoot Times, June, August, December 1998; January,
April, August, October, November 1999; January, April, July, December 2000; February, April, June,
October 2001; October 2002; July 2003; October 2007. (Newsletter. Many issues of this newsletter carry
either a small or major reference to the P-G film).
155. Perez, Daniel Edward. “In Defence [English spelling] Of The Patterson-Gimlin Film.” Fortean
Times, January 2005, page 36-37.
156. Perez, Daniel Edward. “Report From The Readers.” (‘Patterson Film’). Fate, June 2002, page 50.
157. Perez, Daniel Edward. “Report From The Readers.” (‘Another “Hoaxer” Comment’), Fate, November
2002, pages 51, 52.
158. Perez, Daniel Edward. Audiotape interview of Rene Dahinden on his recollections of the P-G film.
1992.
159. Perez, Daniel Edward. Videotape interview of Albert Eugene Hodgson, one of the first individuals to
meet Roger Patterson only hours after the movie was shot. Willow Creek, California, May 6, 2000.
160. Pickel, Leonard. “Hoax Or Illusion?” (Interview with costume maker Philip Morris who claims to
have supplied Roger Patterson with the “gorilla suit” for his famous movie). Attraction Magazine, #37,
2004.
161. The Post (New York), November 16, 1967.
162. Pushkarev, Vladimir; Bayanov, Dmitri and Klumov, Sergei. “Big Foot: Myth Or Reality” Soviet Life,
March 1979, pages 54, 58.
163. Pyle, Dr. Robert Michael. Where Bigfoot Walks: Crossing The Dark Divide. Boston: Houghton
Mifflin Company, 1995.
164. Reilly, James. Letter to the editor. National Wildlife, August 1968.
165. Rense.com (Internet radio program) Bob Heironimus, Greg Long and Kal Korff make the claim the
subject in the P-G film was Bob Heironimus in a costume). March 1, 2004.
166. Rense.com (Internet radio program) John Green, Daniel Perez and Lloyd Pye refute the claims of
author Greg Long) April 14, 2004.
167. Roberts, C.R. “Bigfoot Film: Disproof May Be In The Details.” Tacoma, Washington, News Tribune,
November 29, 1998.
168. “Rodeo Rider [Roger Patterson] Shows Films Of Legendary ‘Sasquatch.’” Las Vegas, Nevada, State
Journal, January 28, 1968.
169. “Rodeo Star [Roger Patterson] Will Hunt ‘Bigfoot.’” Modesto, California, Bee, January 18, 1968.
170. Rose, Joseph. “Sasquatch: Man In Monkey Suit?” Wired News, January 19, 1999.
171. Rosellini, Lynn. “Not So Big After All.” U.S. News & World Report, January 25, 1999.
172. Ruble, Web. “Are Those ‘Big Foot’ Beings Lurking Around Yakima?” Pasco, Washington, Tri-City
Herald, November 13, 1966, page 30.
173. Sanderson, Ivan Terence. “Abominable Snowman May Roam California Hills.” Lima, Ohio, News,
November 25, 1967, page 5. (“She left clear tracks in the sand measuring 41 inches from left heel to the
right heel...”).
174. Sanderson, Ivan Terence. “First Photos Of ‘Bigfoot,’ California’s Legendary ‘Abominable Snowman.’”
Argosy, February 1968, pages 23-31, 127-128. (Argosy is a long defunct men’s magazine. Now a
collector’s issue).
175. Sanderson, Ivan Terence. “More Evidence That Bigfoot Exists.” Argosy, April 1968, pages 72-73.
(Article makes mention of “What proof do we have, other than the films taken by Roger Patterson...”
Another indication, without a doubt, that two films were shot October 20, 1967 by Roger Patterson).
176. Sanderson, Ivan Terence. “The Patterson Affair.” Pursuit, June 1968, pages 8-10. (Defunct journal
published by the late Ivan Sanderson).
177. “Sasquatch Is A Lady This Moviemaker Claims.” Toronto, Ontario, Daily Star, October 25, 1967.
178. “‘Sasquatch Is A Phoney.’” Vancouver, British Columbia, Sun, December 4, 1967.
179. Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science. (Television). Dale Bosch, executive producer; Doug Hajicek,
producer/ director. Discovery Channel, January 9, 2003. (This was the first time a three dimensional animated
skeleton was superimposed on the subject in the P-G film, demonstrating how different the walk is
from modern man. The DVD version of this program was the first time ever, to the best of my knowledge,
a legal copy made available to the general public of the P-G film was shown from start to finish, of
cropped and zoomed frames, with sprocket holes also visible, which erroneously leads one to believe you
are viewing the entire movie).
180. “‘Sasquatch’ Movie Faces Court Test.” Yakima, Washington, Herald, April 4, 1968.
181. Sasquatch Odyssey: The Hunt For Bigfoot. (Television) Peter Von Puttkamer, executive producer.
(Discussion of Patterson-Gimlin film by Rene Dahinden). 1999.
182. “Sasquatch-Shooter Seeks Scientists For Safari.” Victoria, British Columbia, Daily Colonist, October
28, 1967, page 15.
183. “‘Sasquatch Walks On Web-Feet.’” Vancouver, British Columbia, Sun, December 2, 1967.
184. “Scientists Are Baffled By Film Of She-Monster.” Detroit, Michigan, News, October 29, 1967, page
2A.
185. Searching For Bigfoot (Tom Biscardi’s Internet radio show. Bob Heironimus is interviewed).
March 14, 2007.
186. “See It Now! Big Foot!” Oregon, no newspaper source. Klamath Falls, Herald & News????? November
1968. (Source provided by David Murphy. Showing of the P-G film in Klamath Falls, Oregon on
November 30, 1968).
187. Short, Bobbie. “[John] Chambers Denies He Made The Suit For The Patterson-Gimlin Film.” San
Diego, California, Bigfoot Encounters web site, October 27, 1997.
188. Shuman, James B. “This Is Bigfoot.” Los Angeles, West Magazine, December 15, 1968, pages 24-
26, 29.
189. Smith, Sandra. “Subject Of Documentary Now Showing In MV [Magic Valley] Is Controversial ‘Big
Foot,’ A 7-Foot, 500-Pound Anthropoid Ape.” Twin Falls, Idaho, Times-News, February 5, 1969, page 12.
190. “Snow Woman Or Deodorant Ad?” Los Angeles, California, Herald Examiner, October 27, 1967,
page 6.
191. Stein, Theo. “Legend Of Bigfoot Put To Test.” Denver, Colorado, Post, January 14, 2001.
192. “Storied Sasquatch ‘Giant Screen-Test.” Los Angeles, California, Herald-Examiner, October 27,
1967, second front page.
193. Street, Ian. “It’s Either A Man In Ape-Suit Or It’s A Sasquatch!” Victoria, British Columbia, Daily
Colonist, October 27, 1967, pages 1, 7.
194. Titmus, Robert (Bob) Merle. Letter to John Green. Kitimat, British Columbia, November 8, 1967.
195. Today Show. (Television). May 17, 2001. (Dr. Don Jeffrey Meldrum on the “midtarsal flexibility” of
the foot as seen in the Patterson-Gimlin film).
196. Tonight Show. Burbank, California. (Television, Johnny Carson). Late 1960s or early 1970s.
197. Tostado, Al. “Film Of ‘Bigfoot’ Spurs Expeditions For Capture.” Eureka, California, Times-
Standard, November 5, 1967, page 28.
198. Tostado, Al. “Mrs. Bigfoot Is Filmed!” Eureka, California, Times-Standard, October 21, 1967,
pages 1-2. (First published newspaper publicity about the Patterson-Gimlin film. There was never a ‘byline’
for this article, but in light of Al Tostado’s November 5th, 1967 article, I am positive this individual
wrote this article. The discovery of this crucial piece of information was made on Friday, June 2, 2006 by
Bigfooter Daniel Perez. Part of this article reads, “The writer jested that these sizes put him...” [Roger
Knights’ observation, Seattle, Washington] “Him” is the key word, clearly indicating the reporter was
male. Andrew Genzoli’s widow, Betty, told me in person and by letter the article never had the look and
feel of her late husband. Her observation proved correct).
199. Tucker, Bob. “Court Fight Over Bigfoot.” Yakima, Washington, Herald-Republic, February 5, 1976.
200. “2 Men Film Snow Woman.” Sacramento, California, Union, October 27, 1967.
201. “U.S. Premiere Of Bigfoot Film To Be Held In K[lamath] F[alls] on Sunday.” Oregon, no newspaper
source, Klamath Falls, Herald & News,??????, November 23, 1968. (Daniel Perez note: November 23,
1968 is a Sunday).
202. Walla Walla, Washington, Union-Bulletin, March 14, 1969.
203. Wallace, James. “Bigfoot Film Target Of Suit.” Yakima, Washington, Herald-Tribune, March 7,
1977, page 1.
204. Ward, Leah Beth. “Bigfoot Hoax Goes In Halls Of Hooey.” Yakima, Washington, Herald-Republic,
October 7, 2004. (Bob Heironimus with pictures of a costume similar to the one he allegedly wore on
October 20, 1967).
205. “Was She Really A Snow Woman?” New York City, New York, The Stars And Stripes, October 28,
1967.
206. Wasson, Barbara (Also went by Barbara Butler). Sasquatch Apparitions. (A Critique On The Pacific
Northwest Hominoid). Bend, Oregon, privately published, 1979. (Chapter 5, ‘Roger Patterson And
The Film’).
207. Wasson, David. “Bigfoot Unzipped – Man [Bob Hieronimus] Claims It Was Him In A Suit.” Yakima,
Washington, Herald-Republic, January 30, 1999.
208. Wasson, David. “Bigfoot Believers Say Film No Fake.” Yakima, Washington, Herald-Republic,
February 14, 1999.
209. Waterhouse, H.C. “Letters To The Editor.” (‘Let The ‘Bigfoot’ Alone’). Eureka, California, Times-
Standard, October 29, 1967, page 4.
210. Webster, Jack. Radio interview with Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin. Salt Spring Island, British
Columbia, October 26, 1967. (Jack Webster was probably the first radio personality to interview Patterson
and Gimlin via radio).
211. “Whatever It Is, It’s Abominable.” Detroit, Michigan, Free Press, after October 20, 1967.
212. White, Kayce. “Now It’s War Among The Sasquatch Hunters!” Toronto, Ontario, Star Weekly, October
24, 1970. (“Patterson said were 42 inches apart.” Reference to footprints seen at the filmsite).
213. Whyte, Murray. “Bigfoot’s Trail Runs Hot With Acrimony.” Toronto, Ontario, National Post, October
31, 1998.
214. “Wide Interest In Sasquatch.” Vancouver, British Columbia, Province, November 2, 1967.
215. World’s Greatest Hoaxes. (Secrets Finally Revealed). (Television). Robert C. Kiviat, executive producer.
Kal K. Korff debunks the Patterson-Gimlin film on various grounds. December 28, 1998.
216. Wylie, Dr. Kenneth C. Bigfoot: A Personal Inquiry Into A Phenomenon. New York: The Viking
Press, 1980. (Chapter 7, ‘More Buffs And Some Boffola: An Abominable Snow Job?’ “...film is one of the
most controversial and important documents in the bulging file of international Sasquatchery”).
217. The X-Creatures: Shooting The Bigfoot. (Television). Chris Packham on the stabilization of the
film frames in the Patterson-Gimlin film. The show attempts to recreate the P-G film. British Broadcasting
Corporation, July 1999.
218. Yakima, Washington, Daily Eagle, November (?), 1967.
219. “Yakima Businessman [Albert DeAtley Jr.] Backed Creators of 1967 Film, Never Asked If It Was
Authentic.” Seattle, Washington, Times, February 5, 1999.
220. “Yakiman [Roger Patterson] To Show Bigfoot Support On [Merv] Griffin Show.” Yakima, Washington,
Herald-Republic, October 4, 1970.
221. Yorke, Malcolm. Beastly Tales: Yeti, Bigfoot, And The Loch Ness Monster. New York: DK Publishing,
Incorporated, 1998. (To the best of my knowledge, this was the first book to publish a photograph,
on page 44, --from the second roll of 16 millimeter film shot by Bob Gimlin-- of Roger Patterson shortly
after he shot his famous movie. I strongly suspect the clothing shown is the same when the film was
made).
END
Partially annotated bibliography specific to the Patterson-
Gimlin film as compiled by Daniel Perez, Norwalk, California.
Copyright on compilation and all rights reserved by
Daniel Perez. Rehashed material mostly eliminated. 221 citations.
Current through November 2007. 10926 Milano Avenue,
Norwalk, California 90650-1638. Electronic mail:
perez952@sbcglobal.net
1. Alan Burke Show. (Television). Late 1960s?
2. Allison, Henry. “‘Bigfoot’ Monster – They’re After You.” Los Angeles, California, Herald-Examiner,
November 2, 1967, page A-12.
3. ArtistFirst. (Bob Gimlin interviewed in part by Robert Morgan. Internet radio program). November 18,
2003.
4. Ashton, Linda. “Another Man [Bob Hieronimus] Says He Was Bigfoot In 1967 Patterson Film.” Portland,
Oregon, Oregonian, February 1, 1999.
5. Bates, Doug. “The Man [Ron Olson] Who Chases Bigfoot.” Eugene, Oregon, Register-Guard Emerald
Empire, October 21, 1973. (How Ron Olson became involved with the Patterson-Gimlin film).
6. Bayanov, Dmitri Yurevich. America’s Bigfoot: Fact, Not Fiction. U.S. Evidence Verified In Russia.
Moscow, Russia: Crypto-Logos Publishers, 1997. (Bayanov, one of the first Russians to treat the P-G film
seriously, does an exceptional job recounting his involvement with this strip of film).
7. Behind The Mysteries: Bigfoot. National Geographic, January 30, 2005.
8. Best Evidence: Bigfoot. Executive producer: Eric Nelson. (Documentary covers the attempted replication
of the movements seen in the P-G film with Stanford University’s Dr. James Gamble conducting
the experiment and Dr. Jeff Meldrum in attendance. This study was done on a concrete floor and not a
sandbar). Discovery Channel. February 1, 2007.
9. Beyond, Hicksville, New York, September 1968.
10. “Big, Hairy Mystery.” Oakland, California, Tribune, October 27, 1967.
11. Bigfoot: America’s Abominable Snowman. Yakima, Washington: produced by Roger Patterson, Fall
1968. (Information as per Greg Long. Movie length said to be 136 minutes).
12. Bigfoot, California Abominable Snowman. London, British Broadcasting Corporation. (“…early in
1968 produced a one-hour documentary,” as per Roger Patterson). Early 1968.
13. “Bigfoot Film Sets Enthusiasts At Odds.” USA Today, January 10, 1999.
14. “‘Bigfoot’ Heading Back To Courts.” Portland, Oregon, Journal, February 6, 1976.
15. “Big Foot Reported Seen And Filmed Near Bluff Creek.” Blue Lake, California, Advocate, October
26, 1967.
16. “Big Tracks Found Here.” Panorama Land, 1969-1970.
17. Brewster, David. “Our Last Monster.” Seattle, August 1970, pages 29-33.
18. Byrne, Peter Cyril. “Being A Professional Examination At The 1967 Patterson-Gimlin Footage.” Los
Angeles, California, unpublished paper, 45 pages long. September 2005. (Copy of paper in possession
with David Murphy, Whittier, California).
19. Byrne, Peter Cyril. “The Case for the OMAH.” Explorer’s Journal, June 1972, pages 83-92.
20. Byrne, Peter Cyril. “A Quick Look At The Patterson-Gimlin 1967 Bigfoot Film Footage.” Newcomerstown,
Ohio, Monthly Bigfoot Report, October 2002, pages 1-3.
21. Byrne, Peter Cyril and Killeen, Celia. Bigfoot News, The Dalles, Oregon. December 1974, page 3;
January 1975, page 4.
22. Byrne, Peter Cyril. The Search For Big Foot: Monster, Myth Or Man? Washington, D.C.: Acropolis
Books, Limited, June 1975. (Chapter 7, ‘The 1967 Film: Big Man In A Fur Coat? Or The Real McCoy?).
23. “Calling All Sasquatches.” Vancouver, British Columbia, Province, December 1, 1967.
24. Cameron, Constance (editor). Bigfoot Co-op, Whittier, California. December 1981, pages 9-11; April
1989, pages 7-10; February 1993, pages 2-3.
25. Cine-Kodak K-100 Camera. (Owner’s manual). Rochester, New York: Eastman Kodak Company,
January 1955. (This is the same model of camera used to film the subject in the P-G film).
26. Ciochon, Russell, Olsen, John and James, Jamie. Other Origins: The Search For The Giant Ape In
Human Prehistory. New York: Bantam Books, November 1990, page 226.
27. “Charge May Be Killed Against Sasquatch Man [Roger Patterson].” Washington state newspaper,
December 2, 1967.
28. Chorvinsky, Mark. “The Makeup Man And The Monster. John Chambers And The Patterson Bigfoot
Suit.” Strange Magazine, Summer 1996, pages 6-11, 51-53.
29. Chorvinsky, Mark. “The Makeup Man And The Monster, Part 2: Denials And Secrecy.” Strange
Magazine, Spring 2002. (This article is only available on the Internet).
30. Chorvinsky, Mark. “Our Strange World. Fate, September 1996, pages 18-20.
31. Chorvinsky, Mark. “Strange Universe.” Fate, February 2003, pages 4-5. (Section called “The Patterson
Connection”).
32. Chorvinsky, Mark. “Update: Makeup Master John Chambers And The Patterson Bigfoot Suit.”
Strange Magazine, Summer 1997, pages 5, 57.
33. Cole, Nate. “‘Smell Doesn’t Wear Off.’” Vancouver, British Columbia, Sun, October 25, 1967.???
34. Coleman, Loren Elwood. “Footage Furore Flares.” Fortean Times, October 1996, page 39.
35. Coleman, Loren Elwood. “Mysterious World: Patterson-Gimlin Film Debunkers Debunked.” Fate,
March and May 1999.
36. Coleman, Loren Elwood. “Planet Of The APE Suits.” Strange, 1996.
37. Coleman, Loren E. Review of Greg Long’s The Making Of Bigfoot. Fate, May 2004, pages 82-83.
38. Coleman, Loren Elwood. “Suits You, Sir!” Fortean Times, January 1998, page 48.
39. Coleman, Loren Elwood and Clark, Jerome. Cryptozoology A To Z. The Encyclopedia Of Loch
Monsters, Sasquatch, Chupacabras, And Other Authentic Mysteries Of Nature. New York: Simon &
Schuster, Incorporated, 1999. (‘Chambers Affair,’ pages 55-56; ‘Patterson Film,’ pages 197-200).
40. Countdown With Keith Olbermann. (Television). Bob Heironimus interviewed by the host in which
he states: “I was approached by Roger Patterson and offered some money to wear the Bigfoot suit in
Northern California in 1967.” MSNBC, March 22, 2004.
41.Cramond, Mike. “Province Outdoors Expert Mike Cramond…Looks At The Sasquatch.” Vancouver,
British Columbia, Province, October 31, 1967.
42. Crowe, Charles Raymond. The Track Record, Hillsboro, Oregon. May 1995, pages 12-14, 16; March
1998; September 1998, pages 9-11.
43. Daegling, Dr. David John. Bigfoot Exposed: An Anthropologist Examines America’s Enduring
Legend. Walnut Creek, California: AltaMira Press, 2004. (Chapter 5, ‘The Patterson Film’).
44. Daegling, Dr. David John., and Schmitt, Daniel O. “Bigfoot’s Screen Test.” Skeptical Inquirer, May/
June 1999, pages 20-25.
45. Dahinden, Rene. Audiotape interview with Roger Patterson. Yakima, Washington, October 1, 1969.
46. Danelek, J. Allan. “Is The Patterson film Too Good A Hoax?” Fate, March 2002, pages 38-41.
47. Davenport, Marge. “NW Man [Roger Patterson] Describes Abominable Snowlady.” Portland, Oregon,
Journal, January 16, 1968.
48. Davenport, Marge. “‘Bigfoot’ Film Leads To Court Battle.” Portland, Oregon, Journal, Journal, February
4, 1976.
49. Davenport, Marge. “‘Bigfoot’ Film Settlement Starting More Court Fights.” Portland, Oregon, Journal,
February 6, 1976.
50. Davis Theory Preview Researcher’s Copy. (24 minute documentary on ideas and observations on the
P-G film as made by researcher M.K. Davis). Grendel Films, Johns L. Johnsen and Marlon Keith Davis,
2007.
51. Deane, Early. “Creature Shown In Movies Believed Abominable Snowman’s Husky Mate.” Portland,
Oregon, Oregonian, January 17, 1968.
52. Dennett, Michael R. “Bigfoot,” pages 117-125, in The Encyclopedia Of The Paranormal, edited by
Gordon Stein. Amherst, New York: Prometheus Books, 1996. (Michael Dennett: “Even when the [film]
frames are enlarged the detail is insufficient to give the viewer confidence in the authenticity of the creature.”).
53. Eberhart, George Martin. Mysterious Creatures: A Guide To Cryptozoology. Santa Barbara, California:
ABCCLIO, Incorporated, December 2002. (Section called ‘Patty’ in reference to the film subject
from the Patterson-Gimln film, pages 421-425).
54. Eberts, Tony. “If It’s Not A Sasquatch, What Is It?” Vancouver, British Columbia, Province, October
27, 1967.
55. Eberts, Tony. “Please, Fellas, Take A Look.” Vancouver, British Columbia, Province, October 28,
1967.
56. Eberts, Tony. “Sasquatch Answer May Come Tonight.” Vancouver, British Columbia, Province, October
26, 1967, page 2.
57. Edson, Charles W. My Travels With Bigfoot. A True-Life Odyssey… Los Angeles: Crescent Publications,
1979. (Chapter 10, ‘Female Bigfoot Caught -On Film’).
58. “Editor [John Green] Buys Film Clip Of Sasquatch.” Newark, New Jersey ???????????, Advocate,
January 12, 1968.
59. “Expedition Slated This Spring In Effort To Capture Bigfoot.” Medford, Oregon, Mail Tribune, December
20, 1966, page B13.
60. Fabulous Animals. British Broadcasting Corporation. (Televisison). 1975. (Hosted by David Attenborough,
program may show film clips from Roger Patterson’s second spool of film).
61. Fahrenbach, Dr. Wolf Henner. “Case Closure On The [Cliff] Crook-[Chris] Murphy ‘Bell Story.” Oregon,
1999. (Report showed up on the Internet on various sites).
62. Fahrenbach, Dr. Wolf Henner. “Sasquatch: Size, Scaling, And Statistics.” Tucson, Arizona, Cryptozoology,
number 13, 1997-1998, pages 47-75.
63. Flemming, Robert. Audiotape interview of Bob Gimlin. Vancouver, British Columbia, May 1978.
64. Forslund, Scott. “Shadow Of A Doubt.” Pacific Northwest, March 1983, page 52.
65. Fuller, Curtis. “I See By The Papers.” (Brief article on the Patterson-Gimlin film). Fate, March 1968,
page 7 and 14.
66. Genzoli, Andrew Martin. “Redwood Country: Bigfoot Story Captured The Nation 19 Years Ago.”
Eureka, Times-Standard, September 21, 1977. (“The picture he [Roger Patterson] made was a fluke and a
fake”).
67. Gimlin, Robert Emory. Audio tape with regard to Patterson-Gimlin film. Yakima, Washington, March
2002.
68. Glickman, Jeff. NASI News: The Journal Of The North American Science Institute, Hood River,
Oregon, January 1998.
69. Glickman, Jeff. “Toward A Resolution Of The Bigfoot Phenomenon.” (Research report). Hood River,
Oregon, Summer 1998.
70. Green, John Willison. Article on first film projections of Patterson-Gimlin film. Agassiz, British Columbia,
Advance, November 1967.
71. Green, John Willison. “Disney Studios See Monster Movie.” Agassiz, British Columbia, Advance,
November 13, 1969.
72. Green, John Willison. On The Track Of The Sasquatch. Agassiz, British Columbia, Cheam Publishing
Limited, Fall 1968. (Chapter 9, ‘Roger Patterson’s Movie’).
73. Green, John Willison. Sasquatch: The Apes Among Us. Saanichton, British Columbia: Hancock
House Publishers, Limited, 1978. (Chapter 6, ‘Roger Patterson’s Movie’).
74. Green, John Willison. Videotape interview of Bob Gimlin. Yakima, Washington, March 29, 1992.
75. Gris, Henry. “After 6-Year Study, Soviet Scientist [Igor Bourtsev] Reports…I’m 100% Certain
American Film Of Bigfoot Is No Hoax.” National Enquirer, September 19, 1978.
76. Guenette, Robert and Frances. The Mysterious Monsters. Los Angeles, Shick Sun, December 1975.
(Chapter 11, “Exhibit G: The Motion Picture Films.”).
77. “Hairy ‘Thing’ Puzzles Experts.” Vancouver, British Columbia, Sun, October 27, 1967.
78. Halpin, Dr. Marjorie Myers and Ames, Dr. Michael M. (editors). Manlike Monsters On Trial: Early
Records And Modern Evidence. Vancouver, British Columbia: The University Of British Columbia
Press, Fall 1980. (This book first published five partial frames from the Patterson-Gimlin movie film, using
a cibachrome development process from the original footage).
79. Hancock, Dave. “Discovery Or Hoax? The Sasquatch Returns.” Winnipeg, Manitoba, Weekend
Magazine, January 13, 1968, pages 8-12.
80. Harrison, George H. “On The Trail Of Bigfoot.” National Wildlife, October-November 1970, pages 4-
9. (“[Patterson] instantly agreed to take a lie detector test. The results convinced the experienced polygraph
operator that Patterson was not lying).
81. Hazlett, Bill. “Tracking Bigfoot Is No Small Feat.” Westways, March 1974, pages 52-55, 79.
82. Healy, Tony. Monster Safari. Canberra, Australia, unpublished manuscript, about 1978. (Pages 178-
181 make mention of John Schuchman, who allegedly met both Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin shortly
after the film was shot. Further investigation into the matter found the claim to be without merit).
83. Heinselman, Craig. “The Media And Bigfoot.” Francestown New Hampshire, Crypto, April 1999,
pages 15-16.
84.Hewes, Hayden Cooper. “The Patterson Bigfoot Movie: Computer Analysis Proves Creature Existence.”
UFO Report, January 1978, pages 36-39.
85. “Hoax Or The Real Thing? Let’s See Some Dollars.” Prince George, British Columbia, Pictorial
Magazine, March 1968, page 18.
86. Hubbell, John M. “Two Bigfoot Buffs [Cliff Crook and Christopher Murphy] Say Film Is A Hoax.”
San Jose, California, Mercury News, January 9, 1999.
87. Hunter, Don with Dahinden, Rene. Sasquatch/Bigfoot: The Search For North America’s Incredible
Creature. Toronto, Ontario: McClelland and Stewart Limited, 1993. (Chapter 6, untitled). Previously
published under the title Sasquatch, by the same publisher, 1973.
88. Hunter, Greg. “The Great Yowie Hunt.” Penthouse, August 1983, pages 34, 37-40. (Discussion of
John Schuchman, alleged to be one of the first persons to see Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin after the
film was shot. Futher investigation into the matter found the claim to be without merit).
89. Jacobs, Ted Seth. “Bigfoot: An Artist Comments.” Fate, November 2003, pages 85-86.
90. Joe Pyne Show. Los Angeles, California (Television). Late 1967.
91. The Joey Bishop Show. New York City, New York (Television. The late Joey Bishop had two shows
of the same name, one a sitcom, the other, noted here, was the talk show. Interview with Roger Patterson).
Late 1967.
92. Johnsfrud, Byron. “Two Men Report Filming ‘Abominable’ Snow Woman.” Seattle, Washington,
Times, October 26, 1967, page 8.
93. KIMA Television, Yakima, Washington. Late October 1967 (First television run of the Patterson-
Gimilin film as per page 329 of Greg Long’s The Making Of Bigfoot).
94. Kirk, John. “Patterson Film Survives Assault On Its Authenticity.” British Columbia Scientific Cryptozoology
Club Quarterly, March 1999, pages 5-6.
95. Kirkpatrick, Dick. “The Search For Bigfoot…Has A 150-Year-Old Legend Come To Life On This
Film?” National Wildlife, April-May 1968, pages 43-47.
96. Kodacolor II Film Specifications. Publication DS-11. Rochester, New York, Eastman Kodak Company,
1980.
97. Korff, Kal K. “The Making Of Bigfoot.” Fortean Times, January 2005, pages 34-39. (Noted Korff,
“...the Patterson-Gimlin footage has been revealed, once and for all, as a hoax”).
98. Korff, Kal K. and Kocis, Michaela. “Exposing Roger Patterson’s 1967 Bigfoot Film Hoax.” Skeptical
Inquirer, July/August 2004, pages 35-40.
99. Krantz, Dr. Grover Sanders. Bigfoot Sasquatch Evidence. Blaine, Washington: Hancock House Publishers,
1999. (Chapter 4, ‘The Patterson Film’). Previously published under the title Big Footprints: A
Scientific Inquiry Into The Reality Of Sasquatch. Boulder, Colorado: Johnson Books, 1992.
100. Kraska, Chris. “The Patterson, Gimlin Film: Enmity, Evidence, And Evolution.” Francestown, New
Hampshire, Crypto, April 7, 2001, pages 6-10.
101. Langdon, Verne. “Bigfoot.” Cult Movies, pages 68-70. No date, possibly 2001. (Discussion of John
Chambers in relationship to the Patterson-Gimlin film).
102. “Larceny Charge Is Denied.” Yakima, Washington, Herald, November 30, 1967.
103. Leadabrand, Russ. “Abominable Woodsman?” Pasadena, California, Independent Star-News, November
5, 1967, pages 1-2.
104. Leiby, Richard. “Sasquatch Speaks: The Truth Is Out There.” Washingtion, D.C., Post, March 7,
2004, page D3.
105. “Lensman [Roger Patterson] Charged With Larceny.” Yakima, Washington, Tri-City Herald, December
1, 1967.
106. Lie Detector. PAX television, Los Angeles, California. May 17, 2005. (Television). Host Rolanda
Watts interviews Bob Heironimus, who claims he was the subject in the Patterson-Gimlin film. This show
indicated Bob Heironimus passed their lie detector test.
107. Long, Greg. “The Great Million Dollar Bigfoot Hoax.” Magic Magazine, April 2004, pages 54-57.
108. Long, Greg. The Making Of Bigfoot: The Inside Story. Amherst, New York: Prometheus Books,
March 2004. (Long claims Bob Heironimus was the subject portrayed in the P-G film).
109. Long, Greg. Speech delivered about his book, The Making Of Bigfoot and the claim Bob Heironimus
was the subject in the the Patterson-Gimlin film. Presentation was for the International Bigfoot Society
in Portland, Oregon on March 27, 2004.
110. Loudon, Pete. “Only Canadians Willing To View Sasquatch Film.” Victoria, British Columbia, Daily
Times, October 25, 1967, page 15.
111. Loudon, Pete. ‘Tis Better To Believe Than Doubt.” Victoria, British Columbia, Daily Times, October
27, 1967.
112. McClarin, Walter James (Jim), Jr. Letter in regard to his visit to the Patterson-Gimlin filmsite on November
5th, 1967. Orangevale, California, January 9, 1968.
113. “Man [Roger Patterson] Claiming To Have Films Of Monster Returns To Lair.” Olympia, Washington,
Daily Olympian, November 5, 1967.
114. “Many Not Convinced By Film Of Sasquatch.” Walla Walla, Washington, Union-Bulletin, October
27, 1967.
115. Markotic, Dr. Vladimir and Krantz, Dr. Grover Sanders (editors). The Sasquatch And Other Unknown
Hominoids. Calgary, Alberta, Canada: Western Publishers, 1984. (Chapter 5, ‘The Patterson-
Gimlin Film’).
116. Maybury, Betty. “Letters To The Editor.” (‘Peace For Big Foot’). Eureka, California, Times-
Standard, November 12, 1967, page 4.
117. Meldrum, Dr. Don Jeffrey. “Ichnotaxaonomy Of Giant Hominoid Tracks In North America.” Albuquerque,
New Mexico, New Mexico Museum Of Natural history And Science Bulletin, 42, 2007, pages
225-231. (Specific discussion of the P-G film footprints, castings and trackway interpretation).
118. Meldrum, Dr. Don Jeffrey. Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science. New York: A Forge Book (Tom Doherty
Associates, September 2006. (Book might see a second edition, as per Dr. Jeff Meldrum).
119. Meldrum, Dr. Don Jeffrey. “The Footprints And The Film.” Pocatello, Idaho, Idaho State Journal,
June 11, 2006, page C 1.
120. Merv Griffin Show, October 5, 1970. (Televison). Roger Patterson and Dr. Grover Krantz. (Peter
Byrne alleged to be in the audience).
121. Michals, Bob. “Obsession: Tracking The Sasquatch Legend.” West Palm Beach, Florida, Post, February
7, 1978. (About Ron Olson’s initial interest with the Patterson-Gimlin film).
122. Miller, Bill. Videotaped interview with Albert Eugene Hodgson. Willow Creek, California, October
2000.
123. Miller, Bill. “Who Is Hoaxing Who With The Making Of Bigfoot.” Privately published, Peoria, Illinois,
November 2004.
124. “Mrs. Bigfoot Reported Seen By 2 Yakima Men.” Redding, California, Record-Searchlight, October
26, 1967.
125. Moneymaker, Matthew. “More Interesting Facts About The 1967 Patterson Footage.” Bigfoot Field
Researchers Organization website, 1999.
126. Monsters! Mysteries Or Myths? Smithsonian Institute special which aired on CBS on November 25,
1974. (Television).
127. Montagna, Dr. William. “From The Director’s Desk.” Beaverton, Oregon, Primate News, September
1976, pages 7-9.
128. Morning Show. Radio program, Eureka, California, November 1967. Host Bob Barnett discusses
seeing Patterson-Gimlin filmsite on November 5th, 1967, along with Richard Henry and Jim McClarin.
129. “Movie Of ‘Bigfoot’ Not Convincing To Vancouver Experts.” Eureka, California, Times-Standard,
October 28, 1967, pages 1-2. (Comments made by Frank Beebe, Dr. Ian McTaggart-Cowan and Dr. Warren
J. Houck).
130. “Movies Fail To Convince Skeptics.” Sacramento, California, Bee, October 27, 1967.
131. Murphy, Christopher Leo. Bigfoot Film Journal: A Detailed Account And Analysis Of The
Patterson/Gimlin Film Circumstances And Aftermath. Burnaby, British Columbia, unpublished manuscript,
2006. (Available as an electronic book only as of this writing).
132. Murphy, Christopher Leo. “Bigfoot Film Site Insights: Scale Model Reveals Surprising Details.”
Fate, March 2003, pages 26-29.
133. Murphy, Christopher Leo. Circumstantial Evidence: The Patterson & Gimlin Film. Burnaby, British
Columbia, 2001. (Unpublished manuscript).
134. Murphy, Christopher Leo., in association with John Green and Thomas Steenburg. Meet The
Sasquatch. Blaine, Washington: Hancock House Publishers, 2004. (Chapter 5, ‘The Patterson/Gimlin
film’. A second edition of this profusely illustrated work is pending as of October 2007).
135. Murphy, Christopher Leo. “The Patterson/Gimlin Film And ‘It’s A Hoax Folks Hopefuls.’” Burnaby,
British Columbia, about 2000.
136. Murphy, Christopher Leo. “Unusual Creature Detail Discussion Paper.” New Westminster, British
Columbia, September 1998. (Three parts, unpublished).
137. Murphy, David. Book on the life and time of the late Roger Patterson. Whittier, California. Pending,
2008.
138. Mysterious Encounters. “Bluff Creek Bigfoot.” (Episode #13). (Television). Minneapolis, Minnesota:
Whitewolf Entertainment. (Produced for the Outdoor Life Network and directed by Doug Hajicek),
2003.
139. Napier, Dr. John Russell. Bigfoot: The Yeti And Sasquatch In Myth And Reality. London: Jonathan
Cape Limited, November 1972; New York: E.P. Dutton & Company, Incorporated, 1973. (Chapter 3,
‘Bigfoot In America,’ covers the P-G film. Noted Dr. Napier: “There is little doubt that the scientific evidence
taken collectively points to a hoax of some kind.” Page 95).
140. Neiss, Todd Mitchell. “Bluff Creek Revisited.” Sandy, Oregon, October 2002. (Unpublished).
141. Noll, Richard. “Patterson Film.” (Letter to the editor). Fate, February 2003.
142. Norman, Eric. The Abominable Snowmen. London: Universal-Tandem Publishing Company, Limited,
1969. (Chapter 10, “The Monster Hunters And Their Prey”).
143. Olson, Eugene. “Abominable Snowmen Are Real!” Strange, Summer 1972, pages 94-101.
144. On The Trail Of Bigfoot. (World Of Mysteries). Travel Channel. 2001? (Rare footage of Roger Patterson
and several runs of his famous movie. Discussion of the movie subject by John Green and Dr. Jeff
Meldrum).
145. Orchard, Vance. “Bigfoot Book Reports Many N[orth] W[est] Sightings.” Walla Walla, Washington,
Union Bulletin, December 25, 1966.
146. Packham, Chris. “Bigfoot: Proof Or Spoof?” BBC Wildlife, September 1998, pages 66-71.
147. “Pair ‘Captures’ Humainoid On Film.” Boise, Idaho, Daily Statesman, October 27, 1967.
148. Patterson, Roger Clarence. Bigfoot Bulletin. Yakima, Washington. (Quarterly newsletter issued by
Roger Patterson’s Northwest Research Association). Late 1960s.
149. Patterson, Roger Clarence. Do Abominable Snowmen Of America Really Exist? Yakima, Washington:
Franklin Press, Incorporated, 1966. (The original version was published in both hard and paperback.
Republished in 2005 as The Bigfoot Film Controversy with supplemental material by Christopher L.
Murphy).
150. Penhale, Ed. “Ah Yes, Comrades, There Is A Bigfoot.” Seattle, Washington, Post-Intelligencer, December
2, 1985.
151. Perkins, Marlin. Wild Kingdom. 1968. (Television). (Two reliable people claim there was an episode
shortly after the Patterson-Gimlin film was shot, with Perkins looking for Bigfoot in the Trinity Alps,
California).
152. Perez, Daniel Edward. “Back To Bluff Creek.” Fate, June 2002, pages 33-35.
153. Perez, Daniel Edward. “Bigfoot At Bluff Creek.” Norwalk, California, BigfooTimes, (correct spelling),
October 20, 1992. (This booklet was originally released in May 1994. Reprinted in 2003 with a portion
of this bibliography).
154. Perez, Daniel Edward. Norwalk, California, Bigfoot Times, June, August, December 1998; January,
April, August, October, November 1999; January, April, July, December 2000; February, April, June,
October 2001; October 2002; July 2003; October 2007. (Newsletter. Many issues of this newsletter carry
either a small or major reference to the P-G film).
155. Perez, Daniel Edward. “In Defence [English spelling] Of The Patterson-Gimlin Film.” Fortean
Times, January 2005, page 36-37.
156. Perez, Daniel Edward. “Report From The Readers.” (‘Patterson Film’). Fate, June 2002, page 50.
157. Perez, Daniel Edward. “Report From The Readers.” (‘Another “Hoaxer” Comment’), Fate, November
2002, pages 51, 52.
158. Perez, Daniel Edward. Audiotape interview of Rene Dahinden on his recollections of the P-G film.
1992.
159. Perez, Daniel Edward. Videotape interview of Albert Eugene Hodgson, one of the first individuals to
meet Roger Patterson only hours after the movie was shot. Willow Creek, California, May 6, 2000.
160. Pickel, Leonard. “Hoax Or Illusion?” (Interview with costume maker Philip Morris who claims to
have supplied Roger Patterson with the “gorilla suit” for his famous movie). Attraction Magazine, #37,
2004.
161. The Post (New York), November 16, 1967.
162. Pushkarev, Vladimir; Bayanov, Dmitri and Klumov, Sergei. “Big Foot: Myth Or Reality” Soviet Life,
March 1979, pages 54, 58.
163. Pyle, Dr. Robert Michael. Where Bigfoot Walks: Crossing The Dark Divide. Boston: Houghton
Mifflin Company, 1995.
164. Reilly, James. Letter to the editor. National Wildlife, August 1968.
165. Rense.com (Internet radio program) Bob Heironimus, Greg Long and Kal Korff make the claim the
subject in the P-G film was Bob Heironimus in a costume). March 1, 2004.
166. Rense.com (Internet radio program) John Green, Daniel Perez and Lloyd Pye refute the claims of
author Greg Long) April 14, 2004.
167. Roberts, C.R. “Bigfoot Film: Disproof May Be In The Details.” Tacoma, Washington, News Tribune,
November 29, 1998.
168. “Rodeo Rider [Roger Patterson] Shows Films Of Legendary ‘Sasquatch.’” Las Vegas, Nevada, State
Journal, January 28, 1968.
169. “Rodeo Star [Roger Patterson] Will Hunt ‘Bigfoot.’” Modesto, California, Bee, January 18, 1968.
170. Rose, Joseph. “Sasquatch: Man In Monkey Suit?” Wired News, January 19, 1999.
171. Rosellini, Lynn. “Not So Big After All.” U.S. News & World Report, January 25, 1999.
172. Ruble, Web. “Are Those ‘Big Foot’ Beings Lurking Around Yakima?” Pasco, Washington, Tri-City
Herald, November 13, 1966, page 30.
173. Sanderson, Ivan Terence. “Abominable Snowman May Roam California Hills.” Lima, Ohio, News,
November 25, 1967, page 5. (“She left clear tracks in the sand measuring 41 inches from left heel to the
right heel...”).
174. Sanderson, Ivan Terence. “First Photos Of ‘Bigfoot,’ California’s Legendary ‘Abominable Snowman.’”
Argosy, February 1968, pages 23-31, 127-128. (Argosy is a long defunct men’s magazine. Now a
collector’s issue).
175. Sanderson, Ivan Terence. “More Evidence That Bigfoot Exists.” Argosy, April 1968, pages 72-73.
(Article makes mention of “What proof do we have, other than the films taken by Roger Patterson...”
Another indication, without a doubt, that two films were shot October 20, 1967 by Roger Patterson).
176. Sanderson, Ivan Terence. “The Patterson Affair.” Pursuit, June 1968, pages 8-10. (Defunct journal
published by the late Ivan Sanderson).
177. “Sasquatch Is A Lady This Moviemaker Claims.” Toronto, Ontario, Daily Star, October 25, 1967.
178. “‘Sasquatch Is A Phoney.’” Vancouver, British Columbia, Sun, December 4, 1967.
179. Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science. (Television). Dale Bosch, executive producer; Doug Hajicek,
producer/ director. Discovery Channel, January 9, 2003. (This was the first time a three dimensional animated
skeleton was superimposed on the subject in the P-G film, demonstrating how different the walk is
from modern man. The DVD version of this program was the first time ever, to the best of my knowledge,
a legal copy made available to the general public of the P-G film was shown from start to finish, of
cropped and zoomed frames, with sprocket holes also visible, which erroneously leads one to believe you
are viewing the entire movie).
180. “‘Sasquatch’ Movie Faces Court Test.” Yakima, Washington, Herald, April 4, 1968.
181. Sasquatch Odyssey: The Hunt For Bigfoot. (Television) Peter Von Puttkamer, executive producer.
(Discussion of Patterson-Gimlin film by Rene Dahinden). 1999.
182. “Sasquatch-Shooter Seeks Scientists For Safari.” Victoria, British Columbia, Daily Colonist, October
28, 1967, page 15.
183. “‘Sasquatch Walks On Web-Feet.’” Vancouver, British Columbia, Sun, December 2, 1967.
184. “Scientists Are Baffled By Film Of She-Monster.” Detroit, Michigan, News, October 29, 1967, page
2A.
185. Searching For Bigfoot (Tom Biscardi’s Internet radio show. Bob Heironimus is interviewed).
March 14, 2007.
186. “See It Now! Big Foot!” Oregon, no newspaper source. Klamath Falls, Herald & News????? November
1968. (Source provided by David Murphy. Showing of the P-G film in Klamath Falls, Oregon on
November 30, 1968).
187. Short, Bobbie. “[John] Chambers Denies He Made The Suit For The Patterson-Gimlin Film.” San
Diego, California, Bigfoot Encounters web site, October 27, 1997.
188. Shuman, James B. “This Is Bigfoot.” Los Angeles, West Magazine, December 15, 1968, pages 24-
26, 29.
189. Smith, Sandra. “Subject Of Documentary Now Showing In MV [Magic Valley] Is Controversial ‘Big
Foot,’ A 7-Foot, 500-Pound Anthropoid Ape.” Twin Falls, Idaho, Times-News, February 5, 1969, page 12.
190. “Snow Woman Or Deodorant Ad?” Los Angeles, California, Herald Examiner, October 27, 1967,
page 6.
191. Stein, Theo. “Legend Of Bigfoot Put To Test.” Denver, Colorado, Post, January 14, 2001.
192. “Storied Sasquatch ‘Giant Screen-Test.” Los Angeles, California, Herald-Examiner, October 27,
1967, second front page.
193. Street, Ian. “It’s Either A Man In Ape-Suit Or It’s A Sasquatch!” Victoria, British Columbia, Daily
Colonist, October 27, 1967, pages 1, 7.
194. Titmus, Robert (Bob) Merle. Letter to John Green. Kitimat, British Columbia, November 8, 1967.
195. Today Show. (Television). May 17, 2001. (Dr. Don Jeffrey Meldrum on the “midtarsal flexibility” of
the foot as seen in the Patterson-Gimlin film).
196. Tonight Show. Burbank, California. (Television, Johnny Carson). Late 1960s or early 1970s.
197. Tostado, Al. “Film Of ‘Bigfoot’ Spurs Expeditions For Capture.” Eureka, California, Times-
Standard, November 5, 1967, page 28.
198. Tostado, Al. “Mrs. Bigfoot Is Filmed!” Eureka, California, Times-Standard, October 21, 1967,
pages 1-2. (First published newspaper publicity about the Patterson-Gimlin film. There was never a ‘byline’
for this article, but in light of Al Tostado’s November 5th, 1967 article, I am positive this individual
wrote this article. The discovery of this crucial piece of information was made on Friday, June 2, 2006 by
Bigfooter Daniel Perez. Part of this article reads, “The writer jested that these sizes put him...” [Roger
Knights’ observation, Seattle, Washington] “Him” is the key word, clearly indicating the reporter was
male. Andrew Genzoli’s widow, Betty, told me in person and by letter the article never had the look and
feel of her late husband. Her observation proved correct).
199. Tucker, Bob. “Court Fight Over Bigfoot.” Yakima, Washington, Herald-Republic, February 5, 1976.
200. “2 Men Film Snow Woman.” Sacramento, California, Union, October 27, 1967.
201. “U.S. Premiere Of Bigfoot Film To Be Held In K[lamath] F[alls] on Sunday.” Oregon, no newspaper
source, Klamath Falls, Herald & News,??????, November 23, 1968. (Daniel Perez note: November 23,
1968 is a Sunday).
202. Walla Walla, Washington, Union-Bulletin, March 14, 1969.
203. Wallace, James. “Bigfoot Film Target Of Suit.” Yakima, Washington, Herald-Tribune, March 7,
1977, page 1.
204. Ward, Leah Beth. “Bigfoot Hoax Goes In Halls Of Hooey.” Yakima, Washington, Herald-Republic,
October 7, 2004. (Bob Heironimus with pictures of a costume similar to the one he allegedly wore on
October 20, 1967).
205. “Was She Really A Snow Woman?” New York City, New York, The Stars And Stripes, October 28,
1967.
206. Wasson, Barbara (Also went by Barbara Butler). Sasquatch Apparitions. (A Critique On The Pacific
Northwest Hominoid). Bend, Oregon, privately published, 1979. (Chapter 5, ‘Roger Patterson And
The Film’).
207. Wasson, David. “Bigfoot Unzipped – Man [Bob Hieronimus] Claims It Was Him In A Suit.” Yakima,
Washington, Herald-Republic, January 30, 1999.
208. Wasson, David. “Bigfoot Believers Say Film No Fake.” Yakima, Washington, Herald-Republic,
February 14, 1999.
209. Waterhouse, H.C. “Letters To The Editor.” (‘Let The ‘Bigfoot’ Alone’). Eureka, California, Times-
Standard, October 29, 1967, page 4.
210. Webster, Jack. Radio interview with Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin. Salt Spring Island, British
Columbia, October 26, 1967. (Jack Webster was probably the first radio personality to interview Patterson
and Gimlin via radio).
211. “Whatever It Is, It’s Abominable.” Detroit, Michigan, Free Press, after October 20, 1967.
212. White, Kayce. “Now It’s War Among The Sasquatch Hunters!” Toronto, Ontario, Star Weekly, October
24, 1970. (“Patterson said were 42 inches apart.” Reference to footprints seen at the filmsite).
213. Whyte, Murray. “Bigfoot’s Trail Runs Hot With Acrimony.” Toronto, Ontario, National Post, October
31, 1998.
214. “Wide Interest In Sasquatch.” Vancouver, British Columbia, Province, November 2, 1967.
215. World’s Greatest Hoaxes. (Secrets Finally Revealed). (Television). Robert C. Kiviat, executive producer.
Kal K. Korff debunks the Patterson-Gimlin film on various grounds. December 28, 1998.
216. Wylie, Dr. Kenneth C. Bigfoot: A Personal Inquiry Into A Phenomenon. New York: The Viking
Press, 1980. (Chapter 7, ‘More Buffs And Some Boffola: An Abominable Snow Job?’ “...film is one of the
most controversial and important documents in the bulging file of international Sasquatchery”).
217. The X-Creatures: Shooting The Bigfoot. (Television). Chris Packham on the stabilization of the
film frames in the Patterson-Gimlin film. The show attempts to recreate the P-G film. British Broadcasting
Corporation, July 1999.
218. Yakima, Washington, Daily Eagle, November (?), 1967.
219. “Yakima Businessman [Albert DeAtley Jr.] Backed Creators of 1967 Film, Never Asked If It Was
Authentic.” Seattle, Washington, Times, February 5, 1999.
220. “Yakiman [Roger Patterson] To Show Bigfoot Support On [Merv] Griffin Show.” Yakima, Washington,
Herald-Republic, October 4, 1970.
221. Yorke, Malcolm. Beastly Tales: Yeti, Bigfoot, And The Loch Ness Monster. New York: DK Publishing,
Incorporated, 1998. (To the best of my knowledge, this was the first book to publish a photograph,
on page 44, --from the second roll of 16 millimeter film shot by Bob Gimlin-- of Roger Patterson shortly
after he shot his famous movie. I strongly suspect the clothing shown is the same when the film was
made).
END
Thursday, October 25, 2007
More Photos From The Willow Creek 40th Anniversary Patterson/Gimlin Movie Celebration
(All of these photos are courtesy of Tom Yamarone.)
Photos from the Willow Creek Patterson/Gimlin Movie Celebration Part 1
(All of these photos are courtesy of BigfootGal and BigfootDad of Bigfoot Forums.)
Sunday, October 21, 2007
Editorial: Yahoo News Gets It ALMOST Right
Yesterday, Yahoo News acknowledged the 40th Anniversary of the Patterson/Gimlin Movie with an article. I will present the full text of the article here, with special highlights:
As you may notice, I put a few corrections in the article in bold letters. The point is, Yahoo News got it ALMOST right this time, except for a couple of minor mistakes, which is better than saying that Roger Patterson confessed on his deathbed that it was a hoax, as the media did after the death of Ray Wallace nearly 5 years ago. The media seems to be getting better, at least in some aspects, but still has a long way to go in their fact-checking, especially on the subject of Sasquatch. But of course, they still get it wrong in many other aspects of news, whether it be politics or entertainment or world news, or even news that happened across the street. But the writer of this article seemed to really care about the subject (with two minor exceptions) of the P/G Movie and for the most part did his homework. If we can convince the news media to keep getting it more right and more right, we might get more results and better reporting, not just on Sasquatch, but on other, more important pieces of news. Just something to think about.
40 years on, 'Bigfoot' film still the benchmark for believers
by Rob Woollard Sat Oct 20, 1:30 PM ET
LOS ANGELES, United States (AFP) - Forty years after two cowboys filmed an unidentified creature ambling through a California forest, hunters of "Bigfoot" say the grainy (this film is NOT grainy, except for the third-generation copies which are seen on some documentaries; the copy seen on Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science, courtesy of John Green, is very clear, as are M.K. Davis' enhancements.) footage remains the cornerstone of their belief in the legendary ape-like beast's existence.
The subject of numerous hoax theories and investigations, Roger Patterson and Tom (should be Bob) Gimlin's film, shot at Willow Creek in the expanse of the Six Rivers National Forest on October 20, 1967, has been debunked, derided and dismissed.
But so far it has never been successfully duplicated, and it is that fact, that Bigfoot devotees say is crucial.
Daniel Perez, the editor of the BigfootTimes.net website and an avowed follower of the beast known as Sasquatch, describes the Patterson-Gimlin footage as the missing piece of the Bigfoot puzzle.
"This is the cornerstone of the entire case for Bigfoot," Perez told AFP. "People say 'It's just a guy in a suit'. Well I beg to differ. If it's a man in a costume, why can't anyone duplicate the film?"
Perez, who will address a conference of Bigfoot believers at Willow Creek on Saturday to mark the film's 40th anniversary, claims that enhancements of the original, jerky footage show the creature's muscles expanding, rippling and contracting from one frame to the next.
"You can't do that with a costume," Perez says. "A costume conceals rather than reveals."
Tom Yamarone, a member of the Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization, a US group of enthusiasts who record sightings and embark on hunts for the creature, echoed Perez's argument.
"The Patterson-Gimlin footage, despite it's shakiness, is what we would refer to as the gold standard for visual evidence," says Yamarone.
Yet others are not convinced. In his 2004 book "The Making of Bigfoot" author Greg Long claims to have identified the 'man in the suit' as a worker from Washington state, Bob Hieronimus.
Long also casts a critical eye over Patterson's role in the affair, noting the extraordinary coincidence that he had set out into the forest to shoot a documentary about Bigfoot and returned with footage of the creature
Robert Stein, an expert in trick photography, echoed Long's scepticism in an interview.
"Roger Patterson sets out to make a Bigfoot documentary," he says. "He immediately stumbled upon a Bigfoot. Not only that, he stumbled upon a Bigfoot that was out in the open in bright, clear sunshine, perfect weather for filming. He didn't just beat the odds. He gave the odds a royal whipping."
Patterson, who died of cancer in 1972, is portrayed in Long's book as a chronically unemployed rodeo rider determined to profit from an elaborate hoax.
Gimlin has always insisted the film was genuine, denying any knowledge of Long's claim that Patterson had in fact ordered a gorilla suit from a costume supplier.
And experts in special effects have questioned the 'man-in-a-suit' theory, saying the level of sophistication displayed in the film would likely have been beyond the reach of ordinary hoaxers.
Ryan Peterson, a freelance make-up effects artist who has worked on films such as "Mighty Joe Young" and "Men In Black," believes that if the film was a hoax, the perpetrators were operating years ahead of their time.
"In my opinion, the technology and artistry were not available in 1967 to create such a convincing Bigfoot costume," Peterson wrote in the Salt Lake Tribune this week.
Perez, a 44-year-old electrician who has been chronicling Bigfoot since childhood, says he is open to arguments that the film is a hoax.
"I would be willing to change my view on the subject of the film if they were able to duplicate it," he says. "But you expect me to believe that a broke cowboy and his friend Bob Gimlin make this sophisticated movie? Come on."
Review: The Sasquatch Experience 10-20-07
This was a great show, with just myself interviewing M.K. Davis about the 40th Anniversary of the Patterson/Gimlin Movie. We talked about the new DVD he is involved with John Johnsen in. We also discussed M.K.'s theories on what he thought "Patty" was, as well as his methods on working on the film. Johnsen himself called in and we discussed his work on the documentary, as well as his legal wranglings (or lack thereof) over the film. It was a great show, full of great information. Our next show is tomorrow night, with no scheduled guest, but we may turn it into a combination continuation of a discussion over the P/G Movie and an open-mic. The show starts at 9:00 EST/8:00 Central at the link to the right. As always, we encourage you to please tune in and support great research.
Saturday, October 20, 2007
Some corrections on my "40 Years Ago Today..." Post from Roger Knights (Thanks, Roger!!!)
Hi Henry,
Thanks for citing me as an authority! I liked your post, but there
are a few things I didn't like about it, which I suggest you correct.
You needn't credit me:
1. Pendulous breasts. This technically (I think) only applies to
breasts that hang straight down--Patty's hang only 45 to 60 degrees.
I'd call them "matronly" maybe.
2. Patty's look of scorn (see Perez, p. 10): This was given when RP
had the camera off and was madly running after her. It wasn't caught
on film, but instead caused him to stop in his tracks and get the
camera going again. Both RP & Gimlin attest that the creature looked
back at them twice--but the first look-back wasn't filmed. Many
people don't realize this, so you should make a point of spelling it
out.
3. (based on Perez, p. 11-12): After Gimlin returned when Patterson
called him back, their next step was to chase down the horses (with
RP presumably riding behind Gimlin--your comment that they both
remounted their horses is incorrect), which had fled upstream.
Then they loaded a new roll and filmed the tracks.
Then they went back to the truck and got plaster.
Then they cast the tracks.
Then they followed the creature's footprints, eventually dismounting
and going up a rough, steep hillside, at which point they abandoned
the quest. (They had to get to town and get the film shipped.)
Then they went back and filmed RP holding the cured tracks.
Then they rode back to camp and drove to town.
4. Here is additional detail you might give: The rain started hard
about midnight, and P&G left at about 6 AM, arriving in Yakima about
14 hours later (confirmed to me by Gimlin), after dark, around 8 PM.
5. The third bigfooter present at the initial screening was Jim
McClarin.
6. I wouldn't say that "many" anthropologists and specialists studied
the film. Few would look at it. I'd change that "many" to "a few".
7. Lyle Laverty was interviewed by Jeff Meldrum and told him (it's in
Perez's newsletter--and Laverty confirmed it to me by e-mail) that he
photographed the tracks on Monday, the 23rd, which was his first
workday. He took four photos, one of which has become famous.
Back to the start: You might mention that the tree-root system was
"room-high"--Gimlin's words--and concealed their approach perfectly.
Roger
Friday, October 19, 2007
40 Years Ago Today...
40 Years Ago Today...
By Henry May, Based On Information Gleaned from Sasquatch: The
Apes Among Us By John Green, Meet The Sasquatch by Chris
Murphy In Association with John Green and Thomas Steenburg and
Personal Testimony From Bob Gimlin
Roger Clarence Patterson and Robert Emory Gimlin, two
cowboys/ranchers from Yakima, Washington, were riding through Six
Rivers National Forest in Del Norte County, California, 150 miles north
of San Francisco, shooting a documentary on Bigfoot. At around 1:20
P.M. Pacific Time on Friday, October 20, 1967, Patterson and Gimlin
encountered a tree root system in the dirt, almost like a crow's nest
with logs jammed together. They rode around this, and encountered a
large, hair-covered creature standing by Bluff Creek. The creature,
startled, began to walk away. The horses went absolutely ballistic, and
began to buck. The packhorse ran away, as did Patterson's steed,
after it either threw Roger off or he jumped off, but not before
Patterson grabbed his movie camera out of his saddlebag. Gimlin was
able to maintain control over his horse eventually after a mighty
struggle. Patterson, on the chase after the creature with the camera,
stumbled several times and even fell on the uneven terrain, which
caused him to have to switch his camera off a couple of times (those
who have watched the film in slow motion have noticed at a couple of
junctures blank spots in the film, which indicate the film was stopped
because either Patterson's finger slid off the trigger or he was
conserving film). Patterson finally steadied himself on a log, and
filmed the creature walk across his field of sight. Gimlin had by this
time established control over his horse, and crossed the creek on his
horse, at which point the creature turned and looked at him, revealing
two large, pendulous breasts swinging and undulating (as seen in
Frame 352, shown here). The creature gave Patterson a look he
described as a look of contempt and scorn, as if, in his words, "You
know how it is when the umpire tells you 'One more word and you're
out of the game!' That's the way it felt." (He told this to John Green,
who quoted Patterson in his chapter on the Patterson/Gimlin Movie in
his opus Sasquatch: The Apes Among Us). Gimlin dismounted and
removed his rifle from its scabbard, but did not point it at the creature.
The creature kept on walking, being filmed by Patterson, until
Patterson ran out of film. Gimlin intended to chase the creature down,
but Patterson called him back, not wanting to be left alone out there
without his horse or rifle in case of attack. Patterson and Gimlin then
cast a couple of the creature's tracks, and then reloaded his film
camera and filmed the trackway. Patterson and Gimlin remounted
their horses, went and retrieved the packhorse and followed the
creature's tracks for several miles until losing them among the rocks.
Later, Bob Titmus investigated the site and found tracks leading to the
hillside above, where it appeared that the creature had sat down and
watched Patterson and Gimlin. Patterson and Gimlin then went to
Willow Creek and called Al Hodgson, with Patterson excitedly
exclaiming "Al, I got a picture of the son-of-a-buck!" They met Al at his
general store and went to Hodgson's home to discuss the events of
the day. After that, they went to a local airport and had the film flown to
Yakima to Patterson's brother-in-law Al DeAtley to be processed in
Seattle. Then the pair went back to their camp, but were surprised by
a late-night torrential downpour. All of their equipment got wet, but
Gimlin remembered the tracks left out on the sandbar and went and
covered them with pieces of bark. Patterson and Gimlin, in Gimlin's
truck, left the area as quickly as possible, encountering mudslides
which threatened to push them off the mountain roads. They reached
Yakima on Saturday the 21st, and Gimlin went home to rest as he
caught a bit of a cold in the rain. Patterson also went home to rest.
The next day, October 22nd, a Sunday, Patterson, along with John
Green, Rene Dahinden and DeAtley all studied the film in DeAtley's
basement (Gimlin was still at home resting). Many anthropologists and
specialists studied the film, and most called it a hoax, but could never
figure out how it could have been hoaxed. Lyle Laverty went to the
filmsite Saturday the 21st, and took a rather famous photo of a track
with what was described later as a mid-tarsal break, and Titmus went
there about 9 days later and cast some of the best tracks of the film
subject, including the one with mid-tarsal break. 40 years later, it is still
the center of debate, whether it is called the Patterson Film, the
Patterson Movie, the Patterson footage or (phrases coined by Rene
Dahinden) the Patterson/Gimlin Film or Movie. Roger Patterson died
of Hodgkins' Disease on January 15th, 1972, going to his grave
swearing to the authenticity of this film. Bob Gimlin still lives in
Yakima, quiet and private, reticent to give interviews, still attesting to
the authenticity of the film. The most prominent current investigators of
this film are M.K. Davis, Chris Murphy, Daniel Perez and Roger
Knights. We celebrate this amazing footage today and every day.
Happy 40th, "Patty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Review: The XZone 10-19-07
This was a rather interesting segment, with myself and Kal Korff discussing the Patterson/Gimlin Movie, and I got to talk about how I thought it was real, and Rob and Kal countered that with their assessments of it. Bill Green called in and he and Rob had a rather spirited debate, in which they were both passionate about their positions (I mistakenly took this for rudeness instead of passion, and I apologize). It was very spirited, very intense between Bill and Rob, with neither side really gaining or losing an inch. Bill actually showed some rather good debate skills, to be honest. Pretty great show.
Review: The Sasquatch Triangle 10-18-07
This was a great show, with guest Daniel Perez who discussed mainly the Patterson/Gimlin Movie, his investigations into it, his relationship with Bob Gimlin (and an upcoming interview in the Bigfoot Times newsletter with Gimlin) and other aspects of the Sasquatch mystery. Thunderhawk called in and asked Daniel a question about his Mysterious Encounters appearance in which he definitely said on camera that this was the spot (referring to the actual spot the film was taken on). He also discussed other films and still photos he has seen and investigated. It was a great show, full of great information. The next show will feature John Horrigan once again, who will discuss the recent Mass Monster Mash. That show will air next Thursday at 9:00 EST/8:00 Central at the link to the right. As always, we encourage you to please tune in and support great research.
In Celebration of Bigfoot’s Patty
Sasquatch Experience Tomorrow...
Sean, James and I will be celebrating the 40th Anniversary of the Patterson/Gimlin Movie, with our guest M.K. Davis. The show starts at 8:00 EST/7:00 Central and can be found at: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/sasquatchexperience As always, we encourage you to please tune in and support great research.
Thursday, October 18, 2007
Today is...
BOB GIMLIN'S BIRTHDAY!!!!!! Happy birthday to the man who was partially responsible for the most intriguing piece of wildlife footage ever taken. Hope it is a good one for you, sir.
Sasquatch Triangle Tonight...
Don's guest will be Daniel Perez of the Center For Bigfoot Studies of Norwalk, California to discuss the 40th Anniversary of the Patterson/Gimlin Movie. The show starts at 9:00 EST/8:00 Central and can be found at the link to the right. As always, we encourage you to please tune in and support great research.
XZone Radio Tonight...
At around 1:00 A.M. EST/12:00 Central, I will be appearing on the XZone along with Kal Korff, Bob Heironimus and Martina Tycova to discuss the Patterson/Gimlin Movie. The show can be found by scrolling down on this page and then clicking on the XZone logo. Should be an interesting show.
Tuesday, October 16, 2007
XZone this Thursday night!!!
I have been invited to appear with Kal Korff, Bob Heironimus and Roger Knights this late-Thursday night/early Friday morning at 1:00 A.M. EST/12:00 Central to discuss the Patterson/Gimlin Movie. I will be taking that invitation. The show can be found at www.xzoneradio.com Hope everyone tunes in.
Review: The Patterson/Gimlin Film Revisited
This documentary, now available on http://www.cryptovideography.com as a free download (it is not available for purchase, but if you ask J. or M.K. to make a DVD copy of it for you, they will). This is a really great and in-depth documentary, looking into M.K.'s work (at the time of shooting, 6 years in) on the film, basically a sit-down interview by J. Michael for the first 40 minutes. The last 20 minutes show us M.K. going through different files and showing us various things in the film he has found. The last segment (and the most dramatic) has M.K.'s blown-up poster in his backyard, where he does accurate measurements on himself and on the creature and concludes it is Bigfoot and not a man in a costume. Very well-done early effort by J. Michael and Cryptovideography.
Thursday, October 11, 2007
DVD Review: Spotlight on The Patterson/Gimlin Film: The M.K. Davis Theory
This documentary, produced by John Johnsen (Keeping The Watch) and M.K. Davis is very well-produced and professionally done. The first 10-15 minutes is devoted to different film stocks and the resolution which can come from each. Chromatic Aberration is also discussed. The theories and enhancements of Davis are shown next, with full explanations as to all of them, such as the humanness of the creature, humanlike lips, the explanation for the alleged saggital crest and other theoretical assessments on the possible humanity of "Patty." There is also a possibility of more than one creature being seen in the film as well. The historical perspective and possible origins of the Pacific Northwest Bigfoot is also discussed. M.K. also reads the preamble to his upcoming book he is writing on these theories and the history behind them. I do recommend this documentary if for nothing else, as a conversation piece. I would give it 3 1/2 out of four stars.
Wednesday, October 10, 2007
Johnsen/Davis Documentary Now Available!!!
The project produced by John Johnsen showcasing the work of M.K. Davis on the Patterson/Gimlin Movie is now available. it is titled Spotlight on the Patterson/Gimlin Film: The M.K. Davis Theory and is available at
Friday, September 28, 2007
Monday, September 24, 2007
Sunday, September 23, 2007
Cryptomundo Stories on the P/G Movie/a story on author David Murphy, author of the authorized Roger Patterson Biography
Bluff Creek Tracks, 1967
The Best Evidence: Patterson-Gimlin Footage
Bigfoot’s Steatopygia
According to information from Daniel Perez's Bigfoot Times newsletter, due to family health problems, David Murphy, author of the upcoming biography on Roger Patterson, has pushed the publication date of that volume back to 2008, which means it will not come out in time to celebrate the 40th Anniversary of the Patterson/Gimlin Movie. The biography is authorized by Mrs. Patricia Patterson and Bob Gimlin, and the source material is from Mrs. Patterson herself.
Wednesday, September 19, 2007
Full and Revised Schedule for The Sasquatch Experience October 2007
October 7-John Green
October 12-2-Hour Celebration for our 1-Year Anniversary!!!
October 14-Remembering Grover Krantz w/Richard Noll (T)
October 20-40th-Anniversary Patterson/Gimlin Movie Celebration Part 1 with M.K. Davis
October 21-40th-Anniversary Patterson/Gimlin Movie Celebration Part 2
October 23-Remembering Rene Dahinden
October 28-Panel Discussion on the Four Horsemen of Sasquatchery, Roger Patterson, Bob Gimlin, Bob Titmus and Al Hodgson with Bobbie Short and Larry Lund (T)
Join us for this special month of programs. Times will be 9:00 EST/8:00 Central except for our October 12th show, which will run from 8:00 EST/7:00 Central to 10:00 EST/9:00 Central.
Friday, September 14, 2007
Talked to Bob Gimlin last night...
And he told me that indeed he had not taken a polygraph test, and that he does not do interviews anymore out of respect for his wife, who took a lot of ridicule over the years because of her husband's involvement with the film. We also discussed the weather, our families and various other things.
The XZone 9-14-07
I made an appearance on the XZone along with Kal Korff this morning, and it was an interesting program. We mainly discussed the Patterson/Gimlin Movie and the issues surrounding it, such as the discrepancies in the story of Bob Heironimus, and I announced that Bob Gimlin had indeed not taken a polygraph. Kal basically discussed the same issues he always has regarding legal issues surrounding the controversy over the film, and also the fact that he has heard a rumor that the alleged suit has been buried somewhere near Yakima and also that Mrs. Gimlin has apparently a good bit to lose if the film is a hoax. Our old friend Bill Green called in and asked Kal about the legal issues surrounding whether or not a judge would hear the case in court regarding Bigfoot or not. I really enjoyed the show, and Kal wants to work with me, so we may do that. Thanks. Kal.
Tuesday, September 4, 2007
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